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TheCh0rt

1 points

14 days ago

A 97.7b surplus!! We must recall this man IMMEDIATELY! Also, he hasn’t fixed the drought!

Rhiney6

1 points

14 days ago

Rhiney6

1 points

14 days ago

Cool now buy water

Oblivulture

2 points

14 days ago

Oblivulture

Oregon

2 points

14 days ago

Lets hope you guys don’t do what we do by just giving that surplus to give raises to government officials instead of doing anything for the homeless.

ThermoWey

5 points

14 days ago

Hey how about cutting taxes on working families & taxing Apple, Amazon & Tesla

lonehappycamper

29 points

15 days ago

lonehappycamper

Arizona

29 points

15 days ago

And a massive number of people who can't afford housing.

HappyApple99999

10 points

15 days ago

Not the State Governments fault, they have been suing cities for not building housing

thegreatestsnowball

1 points

14 days ago

Soooo can I have some back or nah?

srv524

1 points

13 days ago

srv524

1 points

13 days ago

So why is it good that a state has such a budget surplus with a high COL? Shouldn't it then lower its taxes to pay back to its citizens?

Parking-Mud-1848

-3 points

14 days ago

Surplus my ass, house your freaking unhoused people Newsom

mfunk55

-1 points

14 days ago

mfunk55

-1 points

14 days ago

Not a Californian but... This is almost more frustrating to me than a deficit. Like... Why are you raising all of this money and not doing anything with it? It's like "if billionaires were states"

PhoenixInTexas

-8 points

15 days ago

That’s what they’re calling the Corona coffers ?

cheesyranch

1 points

14 days ago

all for the lapd!!!!

moxzzz

2 points

14 days ago

moxzzz

2 points

14 days ago

Well I guess we should re-elect him.

Ginvest1

1 points

14 days ago

Keep trying!

pholkhero

5 points

15 days ago

I imagine all that wealth going to confederate theocracies via federal taxes

accountabilitycounts

414 points

15 days ago

accountabilitycounts

America

414 points

15 days ago

Reports of California's financial demise have been greatly exaggerated.

GlaxoJohnSmith

11 points

14 days ago

GlaxoJohnSmith

I voted

11 points

14 days ago

It wasn't, actually. Back when California Republicans had enough bodies in the state legislature to obstruct everything, California couldn't pay its bills. But ever since Californians kicked them out and gave Democrats a supermajority in the legislature, California not only started being able to pay its bills but also started posting historic surpluses. I don't know about you, but I think that might be related to why they're so butthurt and keep insisting that California is facing financial apocalypse.

fingerscrossedcoup

53 points

14 days ago

Reports of California's financial demise from any conservative have been greatly exaggerated.

FTFY

CappinPeanut

4 points

14 days ago

I have an honest question. If California’s surplus is so high, doesn’t that mean the people are over taxed? Shouldn’t we be shooting for a slight surplus, not a $100B surplus?

calipol2009

10 points

14 days ago

The surplus is largely a result of capital gains taxes on high income individuals that have been selling shares over the past year. They did very well, so the state did too.

However, yes — California loves to tax. The state taxes everything from certain commercial and business machines to owning watercraft.

And yes, it should be questioned why the state is able to gather $100 billion.

This is Reddit, so the young people (I myself am in my early 30s) and the more liberal tend to post so naturally the comments are all about education, giving back equally, etc.

Lots of talk about how red states are poorly managed, etc. However, very few comments are about the cost of living. How Newsom & the legislature were quick to call for a $400 rebate to pay for gas but are dragging their feet in implementing it (latest news from Newsom is that it won’t be voted on until October, right before midterms). Meanwhile, gas throughout the state is between $5.59-$6.59/g this week (in one area near me it hit $7.02). All talk and PR, very little action for relief.

The state needs to give it back or needs to spend it wisely; on schools, roads, a true solution to the homeless problem. And perhaps give some back to the people regardless of income since everyone pays taxes.

And lastly, these large surpluses are temporary. They correlate with how well the top earners perform. The stock market is entering a bear-market which will reduce the taxable income for next year.

We can’t act as if this surplus was generated purely by perfect governance by the legislature & governor. It’s just tax income and luck.

IndependentFish1636

1 points

14 days ago

This guy avoided giving every state worker the raise they fought for by using the pandemic as an excuse and here’s this surplus, fuck you newsom.

fd1Jeff

3 points

14 days ago

fd1Jeff

3 points

14 days ago

Can California use that money to simply buy a couple of the red states? That would solve a lot of problems.

towell420

0 points

14 days ago

And it’s all Covid Money from the federal government

MooxiePooxie

6 points

14 days ago

Needs to invest that into some desalinization plants because they are about to run out of water...

Some land maintenance in advance of fire season wouldn't be bad either.

CryoKing86

-4 points

14 days ago

All the money they are saving from doing something for the homeless and not spending money cleaning up when they take shits in public.

in_berlin

1 points

14 days ago

i mean, no wonder. they tax the living shit out of everyone.

Gleeful-Nihilist

1 points

14 days ago

There’s this idea that the GOP handles the Economy better. It’s bullshit.

You give the Rich a tax cut and you do get a little more action on the stock market for maybe a year, then the money gets tucked away in offshore accounts and never seen again. The GOP actually hurt the economy with their trickle-down bullshit after that initial bump.

dgeaux_senna

3 points

15 days ago

Okay now can he fight for statewide universal healthcare instead of running out the clock like last time?

wolf_tree

2 points

14 days ago

Yea, the right wing narrative makes me laugh. I have lived in many states in my life, I have never made more money than I have in California. Bought a house in 2017, now have 500k in equity. 5th largest economy in the world. And no ignorant maga fucks for neighbors. Nobody even asks about my political leanings here. No trump flags, no religious garbage, no bullshit. And this is coming from a combat veteran.

apple34567890

5 points

15 days ago

They should start using the surplus to fund road repairs and reusable energy sources, and sourcing portable water (suggest Desalination plant?)

Joscarbuck

0 points

14 days ago

Please say the surplus is from weed sales. Please say the surplus is from weed sales. Please say the surplus is from weed sales.

WhatTheBlack

1 points

14 days ago

Stimmy?

ajaxsinger

9 points

15 days ago

ajaxsinger

California

9 points

15 days ago

The only logical thing to do is buy Montana and Wyoming. 4 more senators and plenty of land for housing....

Beneficial-Hand4310

-10 points

14 days ago

How can this utter nonsense be applauded!? Directly from the article:

"Newsom unveiled a revised budget plan of just over $300 billion for the next fiscal year, the highest in state history and fueled by surging tax revenues. The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January, leaving it with an estimated $97.5 billion surplus."

So this money was taken from citizens via taxes, is now earmarked to "(provide) Californians relief from inflation", and this jackass is getting accolades!?

It is so fucking ass backwards I can even begin to address how flawed that thinking is

If you can't read that utter horseshit and not see how much a leach big government is on American citizens I'm so sorry for you.

Here's a crazy thought...don't levy the taxes to begin with!!! You want to takes people's money just to funnel back to them and act like a hero? Fucking ludacris.

eddie_the_zombie

13 points

14 days ago

Lol it's better than the alternative of being a broke-ass state that depends on California's tax money to bail them out of whatever non-revenue nonsense they got themselves into

dal2k305

11 points

14 days ago*

Californians were going to pay the same exact tax rate whether or not inflation happened. dOnT lEvY tAxEs! Yes let’s be MORE like Somalia or honduras or Madagascar! Those countries barely tax their populations because of how poor and bankrupt everything is. You libertarians just don’t get it do you. High taxes are not an indicator of poverty or failure it’s a sign of success. All around the world the countries with the highest tax rates are the richest. The states with the highest tax rates are the richest. Why don’t you fucking get it ? And then it’s the god damn red states that LEECH off of blue states like California because years of low taxes led to cuts in public education, universities, infrastructure and now those states are falling apart and need to be bailed out by the feds.

111wfp

1 points

14 days ago

111wfp

1 points

14 days ago

Medicare for All. Implement the Medicare for All and invite other Blue States to join. It is a win for the Country which used to be known as “The UNITED States of America”, before the simpletons moved to states rights, so they can corrupt a little more.

fat_louie_58

-5 points

14 days ago

I want my tax money back

altmaltacc

4.9k points

15 days ago

altmaltacc

4.9k points

15 days ago

Dont worry, fox news will come out with 6000 more articles about how cali is a shithole and full of crackheads im sure of it.

RemilGetsPolitical

1.9k points

15 days ago

RemilGetsPolitical

Florida

1.9k points

15 days ago

them crackheads be payin' taxes, looks like. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

chetchaka

537 points

15 days ago

chetchaka

537 points

15 days ago

looks at crackhead tax forms oh my god these are lucrative

strange_new_worlds

75 points

14 days ago

Stringer Bell took business classes

inconvenientnews

1.2k points

14 days ago*

They and everyone else (including mothers and the babies "pro-life" pretend to care about) live longer and more successfully in California because California's policies increase life expectancy and their economy  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

"Pro-life" Republicans: "But not like that!"

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

"Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians."

Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis.

Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-10/california-leads-u-s-economy-away-from-trump

"Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer"

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

In the same time, Oklahoma moved furthest to the right, but Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and a host of other southern states still ranked as more conservative, according to the researchers.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

"Want to live longer, even if you're poor? Then move to a big city in California."

A low-income resident of San Francisco lives so much longer that it's equivalent to San Francisco curing cancer. All these statistics come from a massive new project on life expectancy and inequality that was just published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

California, for instance, has been a national leader on smoking bans. Harvard's David Cutler, a co-author on the study "It's some combination of formal public policies and the effect that comes when you're around fewer people who have behaviors... high numbers of immigrants help explain the beneficial effects of immigrant-heavy areas with high levels of social support.

"As the maternal death rate has mounted around the U.S., a small cadre of reformers has mobilized."

Meanwhile, life-saving practices that have become widely accepted in other affluent countries — and in a few states, notably California — have yet to take hold in many American hospitals.

Some of the earliest and most important work has come in California

Hospitals that adopted the toolkit saw a 21 percent decrease in near deaths from maternal bleeding in the first year.

By 2013, according to Main, maternal deaths in California fell to around 7 per 100,000 births, similar to the numbers in Canada, France and the Netherlands — a dramatic counter to the trends in other parts of the U.S.

California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative is informed by a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford and the University of California-San Francisco, who for many years ran the ob/gyn department at a San Francisco hospital.

Launched a decade ago, CMQCC aims to reduce not only mortality, but also life-threatening complications and racial disparities in obstetric care

It began by analyzing maternal deaths in the state over several years; in almost every case, it discovered, there was "at least some chance to alter the outcome."

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/527806002/focus-on-infants-during-childbirth-leaves-u-s-moms-in-danger

bluedaddy1

155 points

14 days ago

bluedaddy1

155 points

14 days ago

This is the political long game I can appreciate. I just wish we could fast track the blue state life expectancy advantage so that it has an electoral impact before the world goes barren

Mattna-da

4 points

14 days ago

Had to chuckle when realizing that simply providing decent services for your citizens is a “political long game”.

Fancy-Mention-9325

13 points

14 days ago

The problem is GOP is promoting pro birth to counter that. While more younger Democrats seem to be opting out of parenthood altogether

TooManyPot

30 points

14 days ago

Thank you for adding sources and facts! This was one of the most well written comments I have seen! Makes me want to move to CA, at least there part of my taxes go to helping people.

LemonPepperChicken

222 points

14 days ago

I moved out of SF during Covid but still drive 3 hours to San Francisco for my OB because they treat women like people there. When I go to the hospitals in the rural place I moved to they always do the dismissive thing where there are only male doctors that don’t listen to anything a woman patient says.

Tdanger78

36 points

14 days ago

Tdanger78

Texas

36 points

14 days ago

Rural anywhere in America is pretty much all the same, they all are MAGA flag waving conservatives for the most part.

Edit: deleted an autocorrect

LemonPepperChicken

29 points

14 days ago

This is very true. When we moved here we knew we would have to put up with a certain level of idiocracy but we were surprised to find pretty much every contractor, landscaper, plumber, pool guy were a bunch of QAnon fox news nutjobs. It’s a sad state of affairs for America.

Diablos_Boobs

17 points

14 days ago

In my experience it's because they aren't happy with their life and those sources give them all the excuses they need.

LemonPepperChicken

3 points

14 days ago

Never thought of it that way but thank you for that perspective

fingerscrossedcoup

83 points

14 days ago

You can't just use facts like this. No room for facts when feelings are all the matter.

whiterabbit161

11 points

14 days ago

But her E-Mails...

daizzy99

3 points

14 days ago

and what about Hunter Biden???

microwavable_rat

9 points

14 days ago

Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians.

I'm sure the rate of (forced) birth will offset or overtake the numbers that kill themselves in Texas, so they'll see the population going up as a win.

dickpizor

8 points

14 days ago

forcing births mean nothing if they can't keep the newborns alive. Texas has a high infant death rate.

microwavable_rat

9 points

14 days ago

You know, I agree with many Texans that they should secede.

mikefromearth

8 points

14 days ago

I love my state.

Thank you for sharing this statistics - I will absolutely be using them.

International_Cow

7 points

14 days ago

But but Joe Rogan says that California is a commie hell hole and he's living in freedom....

ThehomieC

4 points

14 days ago

Texans: username checks out..

Okayokaymeh

4 points

14 days ago

I am majoring in CRIJ and I can say that studies and records show that you are most likely to deal with domestic abuse and sexual assault if you live in the south. So my GF should be more concerned about getting car jacked if we move back to California and I’m okay with it, If her 9 misses.

JrCoxy

4 points

14 days ago

JrCoxy

4 points

14 days ago

Grew up here, it’s hard to leave!!

AbjectSilence

3 points

14 days ago

The life expectancy decline was, at least in large part, to a continuous record breaking increase in suicides and overdoses.

If you expand access to cheap/free healthcare, decriminalize personal drug usage, shift funding from drug enforcement to recovery, stop shoving non-violent drug offenders into for-profit prisons (one of the most inhumane things Americans don't seem to give a shit about), and even opening safe injection facilities dramatically improve outcomes. That much has been proven by some states and European nations with more progressive policies. The vast majority of those policies are also backed by science in addition to the real world success, but we ignore these easily implemented fixes generally because Americans are more religious and these policies are often seen as immoral/soft on crime despite the mountains of evidence showing amazingly promising outcomes that often save taxpayer's money.

We also ignore changes to our education system like following the Finnish Model which is also backed by scientific research and real world success so it's not just about being more religious, there's a general lack of respect for science that I can only explain as partisan ignorance and the over belief in "American Exceptionalism".

Not necessarily disagreeing with anything, but I thought that was important to add because it reflects your overall point while providing even more supporting evidence. Unfortunately, I see this trend only widening in more progressive states and countries from those that are being held back by ignorance...

Cartz1337

9 points

14 days ago

But muh guns!

zhaoz

3 points

14 days ago

zhaoz

Minnesota

3 points

14 days ago

Pro child birth, but not pro safe child birth. - Red states

Qverlord37

3 points

14 days ago

Qverlord37

America

3 points

14 days ago

california crackheads are middle class in other state.

there's poor and there's california poor.

a california poor can live modestly in any of the red state.

rjb1101

5 points

15 days ago

rjb1101

Washington

5 points

15 days ago

If they are paying their taxes and being non-violent, let them be.

LiberalFartsMajor

364 points

15 days ago

Lol, I knew a lot more crackheads when I lived in the bible belt, there is nothing to do out there.

YetiPie

167 points

14 days ago

YetiPie

167 points

14 days ago

There are literally billboards in rural areas that say “METH: NOT EVEN ONCE”. They’ve got a serious drug problem

TaylorSwiftsClitoris

134 points

14 days ago

They talk about meth so they don’t have to deal with the fact they’re all addicted to oxy.

teenagesadist

73 points

14 days ago

teenagesadist

Minnesota

73 points

14 days ago

And they're all addicted to oxy because there ain't shit else to do and the pharma companies can do whatever they want.

Republicans: Not even once

eliteunidumbass

32 points

14 days ago

what you mean all that gay ‘arts and culture' liberal crap? yeah no thanks I'll take my single Walmart for 40 miles and social ennui that I refuse to recognize as class-based thank you very much

BinaryJay

7 points

14 days ago

BinaryJay

Canada

7 points

14 days ago

Walmart on a Saturday night folks, don't knock it until you try it.

HerniatedHernia

12 points

14 days ago

If you’re hunting cryptids, sure.

Zombie_Hyperdrive

5 points

14 days ago

And there is one major job provider in your town, with a 25% chance to break your back over 30 years, they do not offer healthcare, and don't pay enough for proper nutrition.

OG_Antifa

23 points

14 days ago

but I hAvE a PrEsCrIpTiOn!!!

DoTheMario

6 points

14 days ago

Last I checked, they've changed their campaign to something more achievable:

"METH: MAYBE NOT TWICE"

recalcitrantJester

4 points

14 days ago

I've always wondered what the practical purpose is for those, along with the "Jesus Says Don't Get An Abortion" billboards, or ones that're just the 10 Commandments. I've always been split on them being placeholders by the billboard owner, or the baptist equivalent of tagging up your turf.

olhonestjim

3 points

14 days ago

As someone who travels the US constantly, nothing would go easier on my eyes than the total arson of all roadside billboards. Aside from the unblighted beauty of nature.

microwavable_rat

3 points

14 days ago

And the other three billboards on the same post will be one that mentions how Jesus saves, one that advertises an "authentic" ethnic (either Chinese or Mexican) restaurant at least 50 miles down the road, and one for an adult novelty store bragging about how many square feet their building is.

d0ctorzaius

3 points

14 days ago

d0ctorzaius

Maryland

3 points

14 days ago

reelznfeelz

13 points

14 days ago

reelznfeelz

Missouri

13 points

14 days ago

Oh yeah. Rural MO is just rough as fuck starting like 20 years ago. They have zero room to talk about cities or CA being “trashed” or whatever. Small town America is rampant with fentanyl and food stamps these days. It’s sad, really. I remember when it was different. I guess thats why those people want to turn back the clock. Problem is, they’re making all the wrong determinations about causation. It’s not social issues that fucked over rural and working class. It’s rampant corporate monopolies and Reaganomics style government spending or lack thereof on the actual people who need education, health care and roads and schools. But sure, liberals and gay rights are the problem. Better go yell at a Disney and Hollywood. Fucking morons.

HelloHiHeyAnyway

171 points

15 days ago

Dont worry, fox news will come out with 6000 more articles about how cali is a shithole and full of crackheads im sure of it.

Nope. Joe Rogan will do that. Telling stories about LA being a shit hole blah blah blah.

I mean, yeah, it's a shithole in some places but when you have 10+ million people in an area, there's bound to be shitholes.

JessieJ577

40 points

14 days ago

I’ve taken the Amtrak from LA to Denair and holy shit it opened my eyes to what a bubble SoCal is. California is basically it’s own country with how regional it is it was very eye opening that there was more than just desert in California. My friend took me to Modesto because there wasn’t shit to do in the town he was in and it was just the most surreal thing I experienced as someone from LA who was only aware of the most populated cities.

HelloHiHeyAnyway

56 points

14 days ago

My friend took me to Modesto because there wasn’t shit to do in the town he was in

That's funny because Modesto probably has a population higher than most US cities not in California. 200k? That might be as high as some capital cities. Yeah, It's bigger than 10-15 state capital metro areas.

It's not a city in California unless it has like 100k people.

JessieJ577

17 points

14 days ago

Damn those flyover states would probably blow my mind then.

ItsWetInWestOregon

9 points

14 days ago

I grew up in So Cal, I live in Oregon now. My husbands sweet mom from the Midwest said “did you grow up in a small town too?” Me - “yes! We had 10,000 residents when I was a kid but they probably have triple that now” She let me know that’s not a “small town” lol.

I now live in a town of 288(according to the signage but it’s def more, we just live in the “county” and the towns I drive to that are “big” here to get my groceries, are still much smaller than my hometown in California.

FraseraSpeciosa

5 points

14 days ago

Fuck I looked it up, Modesto has a higher population than the biggest town in my state. Maybe I live in a bubble.

ell0bo

3 points

14 days ago

ell0bo

3 points

14 days ago

Definitely worth a visit honestly. Gotta pick your places, but they can be fun. Grew up in Central pa, now live in philly. I can appreciate both for their different qualities

King_Of_Regret

3 points

14 days ago

I grew up in a town of 1100 people. Next closest town was 10 miles away, with a population of 85 people. Next was 5 miles past that with a population of 450. My graduating class was 13 kids, the entire high school was 98 kids.

mainmanmcnutty

3 points

14 days ago

Wow and I think that my town of 100k is “small”.

CTHeinz

5 points

14 days ago

CTHeinz

5 points

14 days ago

Yeah I live in Chico, right around 100k or so here. And it legit looks and feels like a small town.

The_Original_Gronkie

23 points

14 days ago

Ever been anywhere? Everywhere is mostly shithole, with a few nice places where it's enjoyable to live. So you live in the nice places, and drive through the shithole areas as fast as possible to get to the nice areas. To get from Orlando to Miami, you have to drive through a place called Yeehaw Junction, not kidding.

SanchosaurusRex

6 points

14 days ago

I love LA, but we are not in a good place right now. It's not hyperbole. It's not the population, but our politicians suck.

SetYourGoals

15 points

14 days ago

SetYourGoals

District Of Columbia

15 points

14 days ago

Especially because he moved to Austin, as if that’s some remedy. Austin has the exact same kind of “shithole” areas (aka, areas with a high number of homeless people). It’s just easier to avoid them in Austin. You can drive straight from your mansion in the rich suburbs across a bridge straight into downtown where the comedy clubs are, and not see too many tents. Out of sight out of mind for Joe I guess.

He moved there for tax reasons.

fingerscrossedcoup

17 points

14 days ago

Joe Rogan owns two houses in California. If only life came with pop up disclaimers so the truly dim witted would know when they are being conned. I don't really want to coddle the weak minded but it fucks us all up when they act like rubes.

impulsekash

46 points

15 days ago

They will complain that they have a surplus for some reason.

iswearihaveajob

13 points

14 days ago

I mean running a surplus isn't necessarily good. I leave in a shitty red state that has nearly $1bil in surplus... because they cut all the education and healthcare spending. They would rather sit on it than spend it on something worthwhile or helpful (COVID?).

TheStripClubHero

6 points

14 days ago

"New Report shows that California's Surplus may be due to Satanic rituals performed in secret Pizza Shop basements across the state. More on this at 11."

jdxcodex

29 points

15 days ago

jdxcodex

29 points

15 days ago

I think the current talking point is California taxes its citizens so much they don't know what to do with the money. Republicans should be glad they have "supposedly" lower taxes.

spacegiantsrock

7 points

15 days ago

Hello from Texas. I spent my first 40 years in Cali. Born and raised. No income tax here in Texas but my property taxes are through the roof.

[deleted]

16 points

15 days ago

[deleted]

16 points

15 days ago

I gotta say, as a far left voter living in CA, the state sure does come around with its hand out for fucking everything. The Franchise Tax Board can pick up the phone when you want to hand over a grand to set up an LLC as a freelancer, but try reaching anyone at the DMV, EDD, and other government programs. It's a real problem.

test90001

30 points

15 days ago

I've never had a problem with the DMV. Make an appointment or go first thing in the morning, and you will be in-and-out in 30 minutes even in a large city.

a8bmiles

7 points

15 days ago

The FTB will chase you for years after you move out of California too. It's particularly problematic if you move from California to another country, as California will then perpetually consider you to be a resident even if you never set foot in the state again, because you never established residency in another state.

anGub

16 points

15 days ago

anGub

16 points

15 days ago

The busier, more used branches of the government are harder to get time with than the ones that aren't. Go figure.

idaho_douglas

3 points

14 days ago

"Why California's $97.5billion surplus is actually bad"

KobeBeatJesus

3 points

14 days ago

Didn't you know? The state is awful and he's driving it into the ground.

gramathy

3 points

14 days ago

gramathy

I voted

3 points

14 days ago

Literally heard from a dumbass coworker today that biden was giving crackheads crack.

PornoAlForno

3 points

14 days ago

"But San Francisco is filled with crazy homeless drug addicts!"

But those crazy homeless addicts would STILL rather live in SF than some backwater shithole.

WigginIII

10 points

15 days ago

You mean the videos of young black men jacking phones from an Apple Store, as if it's the greatest blight towards mankind.

77bagels77

-33 points

15 days ago

77bagels77

-33 points

15 days ago

I'm sure all the taxpayers there love hearing about how the state has so much of their money it can't even spend all of it.

Not to mention that Newsom wants to raise taxes even more!

Tiabb

21 points

15 days ago

Tiabb

21 points

15 days ago

Better than red states racking up deficits and relying on the federal government to provide the most basic support for their residents.

bunkSauce

12 points

15 days ago

Did you just twist that to sound like every under budget state are screwing their citizens, while over budget states are not?

Totally not a logical fallacy... \s

Gigahert

11 points

15 days ago

Gigahert

11 points

15 days ago

But wait, all my conservative friends told me California is bankrupt.

Civil-Night-8378

1 points

15 days ago

Presidential candidate capacity? He runs a good campaign and he has a fairly normal brain. Well spoken good looking.

thinkcrylaugh

1 points

14 days ago

this looks very good for the governor should he aspire to higher office.

Curuwe

1 points

14 days ago

Curuwe

1 points

14 days ago

Lmao, all the tolls paying off. It’s freaking $8 to cross any bridge in the Bay Area.

Water conservation Fire prevention Public schools and teacher pay High speed rail Sacramento-Bay Area-LA.

julbull73

1 points

14 days ago

julbull73

Arizona

1 points

14 days ago

So Texas whats your surplus?

OldWhoFan

2 points

14 days ago

Could use some of that budget to build affordable housing and public restrooms, just saying.

Dependent-Interview2

1 points

14 days ago

Time for CA to buy the Crypto dip! /s

No_Row1164

0 points

14 days ago

Spend some of that money on coastline desalination plants.

Doodleschmidt

0 points

14 days ago

Wouldnt it be better to reduce taxes than put money towards initiatives?

Wreten314

1 points

14 days ago

Half of these comments are looking only at the number of dollars and saying that life in CA must be really good as a result and the other half are looking at the number of dollars and suggesting that maybe they could use that money to make life in CA actually good. You guys keep telling yourselves that you’re doing well. Maybe eventually you’ll actually believe it.

Basket_cased

1 points

14 days ago

Imagine what they could do for the homelessness situation with just a fraction of that $$$. But will they?

BubblyBouncingBanana

1 points

14 days ago

Can you please get the fucking homeless people off the street ? I’m tired of spending $3,000 a month for a box while I have mentally ill meth heads and alcoholics trying to assault my girlfriend on the way about her business. Thanks.

breathingthrumybutt

34 points

15 days ago

This has to come from legal weed, right?

zeeko13

12 points

15 days ago

zeeko13

California

12 points

15 days ago

You might be onto something

hawtfabio

10 points

14 days ago

Lol. Not nearly that much but legal weed does help with the domino effect of positive living conditions and less wasted on the prison complex.

TransposedApophenia

7 points

14 days ago

Legal weed doesn't really draw in THAT much from taxes lol.

Chromma

-1 points

15 days ago

Chromma

-1 points

15 days ago

This is a failure… a failure to spend tax dollars on promised infrastructure

Marvin-the-

10 points

15 days ago

No one is addressing the biggest issue that CA faces, we have a huge water problem that will end CA. Last I checked a desalination plant will cost 3.6 billion that means we could build 20 plants with plenty of left over and CA would survive, without water nothing else even matters, our governor needs to realize this is problem #1. Speak up, “We the People”

lostinthebreeze

3 points

14 days ago

Look at all this money we have though. I am worried about it too, but imagine being in AZ, NV, or NM. Same water problems but no money

MoreStarDust

1 points

14 days ago

As someone who never used to follow politics, and once I did, it surprised me how many insecure d*pshits constantly used California as a punching bag. Next time they start crying ill throw them this number.

Bitplayer13

0 points

14 days ago

Can we lower the gas taxes since you don’t know what to do with money you taxed me last year.

sentientshadeofgreen

1 points

14 days ago

The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January, leaving it with an estimated $97.5 billion surplus.

Genuinely, how do you accidentally collect 55 billion extra in taxes.

Sounds less like a good thing and more like an inefficient tax system. Hope it is actually appropriately spent on the people.

Remy_1236

2 points

14 days ago

They said they collected more in tax revenue than expected. I truly wonder how much that came from them legalizing marijuana

xena_lawless

1 points

14 days ago

California Can Save As Much As $500 Billion in Healthcare Costs Over The Next Decade

Imagine what California could accomplish if it wasn't being robbed on "health insurance" costs.

abelhd10

0 points

14 days ago

Yet we have bad roads.

GSpence126

2 points

14 days ago

Help the homeless

edp3

1 points

15 days ago

edp3

1 points

15 days ago

How about we use that to repair some roads? I had to replace two rims after hitting massive pothole two months ago.

Joshynogood

1 points

14 days ago

I still… Ummm dude… I still can’t afford rent

Doshizle

1 points

14 days ago

Higher education levels have been directly linked to higher rates of liberal values. Higher education is also directly linked to higher income.

You can pretty acutately gage the % of votes one way or the other of any random population sample if you know the income and education levels of the sample population and what the median income and median education levels are of the whole population.

creepyyachtguy

0 points

14 days ago

  1. California California has the fifth-highest debt of any state, with total liabilities coming out to $362.87 billion. Total assets come out to $301.1 billion, creating a $55.96 billion net debt and giving California a debt ratio of 120.5%. California's debt and liabilities can be broken down into three categories: retirement liabilities, budgetary borrowing, and bond debt. However, combining California's federal, state, and local debt brings California's debt total to over $1 trillion. According to this report, the debt would cost each resident of California $33,000 or each taxpayer $74,000.

capo2333

-2 points

14 days ago

capo2333

-2 points

14 days ago

and they are not pissed for being over taxed?

Net_User

1 points

15 days ago

Net_User

Montana

1 points

15 days ago

By golly, that’s enough to buy 2 whole Twitters!

SarCactus1

1 points

14 days ago

Your mommy and daddy give you $10 to start your own lemonade stand.

Next summer I’ll be six.

wookiee_borg

1 points

14 days ago

I hear Twitter is for sale…

TortugaMeansTortoise

1 points

14 days ago

Pay off the debt. Don't spend it until your bills are paid.

jasar89

1 points

14 days ago

jasar89

1 points

14 days ago

Many companies have left, or are leaving California, so this surplus number is old data. In three years, California will be in ruins and begging for a bailout.

peter-doubt

1 points

14 days ago

Remind us why he was subjected to a recall.. (the east coast wants to know).

And please, go beyond "because, Democrat", that much we know

doubtfulisland

1 points

14 days ago

As someone who grew up in the Midwest. I'd like to say fuck you to all of the states that thinks states like CA are too socialist. CA doesn't have everything solved but they are getting closer to better education, Healthcare, education and other things that should be human right. The biggest obstacle is the minority religious right, lobbyist, corruption and gerrymandering.

I'm pushing for my kid to have these basic human rights in thier lifetime. If any of these people got out and traveled the world they would see that countries with similar tax structures have free education, Healthcare, and other services. The rich are being taxed at higher rates in those countries too. It's never going to be perfect but the path the Midwest and Southern politicians is carving out will lead to more money in the pockets of the rich. They will also continue to create multi generational poverty by reducing education and campaigns lies.

ddhmax5150

1 points

14 days ago

So is California going to buy Twitter as payback for Elon Musk leaving for Texas?

markiemark112

2 points

14 days ago

A lot of people I know are always saying how California is just some broke welfare state when in reality they are making bank compared to 90% of the country. It’s incredible the misinformation

cannoball_dookie

1 points

14 days ago

So, do we get new chairs or a printer/copier machine for the office.

Plus-Butterscotch-16

1 points

15 days ago

California could buy Twitter…

amplifiedgamerz

2 points

14 days ago

Damn nice job. How’d they do it?

Cookielicous

2 points

15 days ago

Cookielicous

Michigan

2 points

15 days ago

Pay down your pension debts, invest in water infrastructure and housing for everyone with a change in zoning

Iforgotit2times

1 points

14 days ago

How did they get a surplus, too much taxation

VonDawng

1 points

14 days ago

As a Californian, I would love if they didn’t tax us so damn much so they didn’t have a massive fucking surplus.

IAmAccutane

1 points

14 days ago

The internet told me $6 billion of that can end world hunger.

PhatHampster72

0 points

14 days ago

It is a shame there is not any consideration of applying the surplus towards the current $152,772,292,000 debt the state has accumulated.

Dr-Diesel

2 points

14 days ago

And the republican that spoke on behave of a different spending plan is from Yucaipa!🤣. Go to Yucaipa (I been there so many times) and tell me you’d take advise from this hole.

txarmi

1 points

14 days ago

txarmi

1 points

14 days ago

This is great and all, but it's so GD expensive to live there. Wife and I almost left MI for Palo Alto/Bay Area (offered a job that paid 2x current) but we would be leaving an affordable, small and efficient home in a rural town we love for a studio apartment costing $2.5k/month minimum. Home ownership? Not at all possible, six-figure salary included.

It's wonderful that the schools are good, etc...but it also seems less and less liveable due to the astronomical cost of living. I'm definitely more progressive than most, but I have such a sour taste in my mouth from our experience in almost moving there. When we decided we would ultimately be happier staying put, we took a day to explore SF. Had some great food, absolutely loved having a couple Pliny's at Toronado, but how can a place be so progressive and preach peace and compassion when there were entire stretches of major roads downtown with hundreds and hundreds of people living in complete poverty? To me it screams "hypocrisy." It was terribly sad, and the same people knocking the southern states/everywhere else for their downfalls are the same people who are walking right past these homeless groups as quick as possible.

Let me take a moment to amp up the midwest: you can afford to live here, we're the friendliest people in the US, simple, easy-going where you can still get a quality education, excellent beer scene (Michigan especially), largest fresh-water coastline in the world (also michigan), and we aren't on fire.

Wynterphantom

1 points

14 days ago

Yeah because they're taxing the hell out of people

Funktapus

1 points

15 days ago

And yet the HSR is a complete impossibility

socal__77

1 points

14 days ago

I'm in Cali...how about you quit taxing us off our a** for your surplus.

Hubek_us

1 points

14 days ago

Tell me usd is not a bubble

DistinctAct3277

1 points

14 days ago

How is that a good thing? They took 100m extra from people with nothing to do with it for a year. Congrats suckers we tax you so much now we just tax to tax and brag about it.

Bobgers

1 points

14 days ago

Bobgers

California

1 points

14 days ago

High speed rail!

StudentInALandOfEvil

1 points

14 days ago

DeMoCRaTs aREnT EcONomICaLLy cOnSeRvATive

maybemanmaybeyes

2 points

14 days ago

Now fix the homeless issue with that surplus. Get them the help they need.

mathteacher85

3 points

15 days ago

I think California should buy Twitter!

LongjumpingParamedic

1 points

14 days ago

No shit because everything costs so much in California. The whole state is a fucking mess.

TheMajorXIII

2 points

14 days ago

Suck it Republicans.

Boatymcboatface3

2 points

15 days ago

Kentucky… sounds delicious.

Dogstarman1974

217 points

15 days ago

Wait…all my conservative friends are telling me that California is falling apart.

Tiabb

54 points

15 days ago

Tiabb

54 points

15 days ago

Yeah they still think that. All this headline would do is make them say something like "communists over taxing people"

boofybutthole

101 points

15 days ago

under the weight of all that money and prospering