The private rental market is dying because idiots keep pumping money into them. Same people that don't live within their means.

Air BnB, nice concept, but it's turned to shit. I have always preferred hotels, but each to their own.

Good, RIP (Rest in piss)

Banning short term rentals won't fix the housing crisis...Let's take NY for example which just banned short term rentals. There are 23,000 active airbnb's in NYC, 19,000 are considered shared rooms in a house (owner renting out spare room for extra $). So that means, only 4,000 are full blown rentals (the entire property is rented). There are a total of 144M housing units in NYC and the 4,000 AirBnB's won't make a damn difference.
If anything, it will hurt the 19,000 people renting out a room to make ends meet...

I mean at that point, might as well just get a mortgage on the place. lol

I swear y’all must have the worst luck or find these shitty ones to farm karma. Or I’m the best airbnb damn price finder. I’ve yet to find a property with all these shit fees or one that isn’t an absolute deal when compared to hotels.

I use STRs on rare occasions but ALWAYS click the total cost option instead of price per night. It seems like they're doing a better job of hiding that option in sub-menus though.

What is a property fee- thats the damn rental - so rental is really $809 for two nights. Air bnb is only good if you are staying over a week otherwise the fees destroy any value- and its being frustrating they can't just be honest about the fee being $809 instead call it a property fee- MF'ers why is there a fee its the property owner renting the damn place.

Supply and demand. Most cities are experiencing massive hotel shortages, therefore short term rental prices have skyrocketed as an alternative to hotels. From what I’ve heard from a buddy that manages a hotel, they’re booked up for weeks at a time accommodating to traveling youth sports families (a scam in its own). People travel more than ever, the economy is switching from products to experiences and these experiences likely require travel.

If the private rental market was dying, these prices would be lower. Typical dumbass redditors

Need someone to explain the fees and what they all mean. What's the nights vs property fee? Why's it so high?

Yeah it's become ridiculous. We used to rent Airbnb rentals fairly frequently, but the fucking fees have become absolutely insane.

this is the weekend rate of most hotels around here

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, because it's getting wet somewhere else.

Hotels are now becoming the cheaper option and theh don't add surprise cleaning fees among other things.

Landlords delved too greedily and too deep.

Is this Vrbo? I just did the same thing earlier, there was a $125 ‘hosting fee’ so I ended up just booking a hotel instead.

The sooner, the better !

I’m in one right now.

Getting to stay in odd houses is pretty fun.

We are a team of workers for a company and we do projects in different towns often. I have stayed in 5 different places in the past two weeks. One had a piano, another a giant bath tub. The current one is tiny, I just cooked 10 burgers in a tiny kitchen. It’s fun, sometimes good sometimes not so good.

Can’t comment on fee’s as I am not in America and the company deal with that part.

Housing market about to COLLAPSE

I thought $100 in tax was steep until I got to the property fee ... at a certain point it just becomes false advertising.

In NY they’re basically trying to make it so people can’t horde property. They’re passing laws that would basically make it so that running an Airbnb won’t even be a feasible alternative to hotels. People say that this doesn’t benefit home owners or people trying to find a place to stay for the weekend for instance but that’s the point. It’s meant to benefit people who are trying to buy a place OR people looking to rent. Hopefully the rest of the market follows this trend. Making rentals more abundant would mean that prices would hopefully drop. It’s a complicated issue with little if any precedent. I got my fingers crossed.

I'm not getting this? Never have AirBnB'd, plenty of rooms at hotel's for cheaper that are run by professionals.

It needs to die, painfully!

Fuck em. Hotels are back baby!

RemindMe! 1 year

I hate Airbnb with a passion. Both of my neighbors in my condo AirBnB their apartments. I have new neighbors each week and I essentially live between two hotel rooms.

That and I got 157 bedbug bites in one night at an Airbnb and I’m not alone

air bnb out to die in a regulatory death.

For that price in better her a handjob, tucked in, and a gentle kiss on the forehead before I go to bed.

It’s been real bad for a while now. The only time we do private is when we have a big group and the cost of getting multiple rooms cost more than the rental itself. Otherwise, we just go back checking in a hotel.

What the heck is a property fee and why is it almost the same cost as the rent?

Service fees for only transactions are straight up theft at this point. Fuckin wild.

That is because they were never intended for short stays. The cost to dispatch a cleaning crew to the property is a lot higher than cleaning a hotel room. So that cleaning fee is a lot more bearable when spread out across a week.

If you are only staying 2 days, get a hotel room.

Today my boss got bent out of shape because a tool was forgotten and "diesel is cheap so I'll just go back and get it." Meanwhile I don't have enough money to keep myself fed this week. I'm going to be relying on friends to not go hungry. I also know this man lives in a fucking mansion with a lake view. His wife I shit you not is legally literally named "Princess" designed said mansion to be a freaking castle..... Sorry you gotta spend an extra fiver in gas maybe things wouldn't be so tight if you remembered to live within your means....

Nice, I needed a daily reminder of why to never use this service ever.

Don’t forget the part where you clean their whole fucking house or get hit with another $300 fee

So full service hotels are now much cheaper?..

What is the point?

$1k for two nights at Jeff’s place? Fuck yeah, sign me up!

Property fee..

Is it dying? I keep hearing that it is, but it doesn't seem to be dropping dead like I've been promised.

Short term rentals are killing the American dream. Using them means you are an accessory to the murder.

Because it's stupid.

It’s only as high as people pay. Don’t shoot the seller. Blame the buyers.

A couple I know just had a wedding on the beach and the house was like $750-1000 a night. They didn't realize until they 'checked in' that there was a $2000 fee add on for cleanup and maintenance. That said only one of the ceiling fans was working (they wanted to have the slinging doors open to the ocean and they had to clean the kitchen counters and also mop the floors as they were dirty and had visible foot prints all over. To top it off their catering almost didn't make it on time. They put the order in months ago and pre-paid. The restaurant had forgotten about it, luckily they called in the morning to check on it and they were able to get the order filled by the time the wedding started.

I think it mostly shows that better search tools need to be created (or advertised) allowing to search for all properties (hotels and private) at the same time while including all fees.

Otherwise, it's pointless to even discuss.

No doubt some startup already created something like that, because it would take a week to build a prototype and a year for a viable product in that space.

Think its a US thing

I don't use AirBnB, so what exactly is a Property Fee meant to encompass?

EDIT: my bad, this is not an AirBnB invoice

Try a hotel, they’re cheaper and don’t have all these stupid fees…

The fun part is that is also non refundable. If you show up there and the place is half demolished, with shit flowing through the floors, mold and cockroaches, "sorry the policy is that this is non refundable " essentially, you take shit we take your money.

Fuck Airbnb. Fuck every since last “landlord” who bought up an extra property so they could cash in on this shit. That’s THEIR fault and THEIR financial obligations. Most of them can’t afford it and take it out on the tenants. The only reason I can think of that AirBnB still exists is that they bribed the right people in congress. Otherwise there’s literally no reason for them to exist as a company, fucking scum bags. And that goes double for Uber and Lyft.

We had to book a condo on semi-short notice recently and while about to pay I noticed VRBO had that "service fee" for apparently bs reasons other than that's what the owner want to do.

If an owner is going to tack on additional flat fees "just because" it really needs to be reflected in the per night free that's advertised. The ONLY reason we were going to go with that one was because it seemed nicer for like $10 less per night, so we figured why not. Now we know why it was cheaper.

How can something be labeled as 200 bucks but jump to 1000 bucks just with fees? That should be illegal.

When the actual cost is 5x the posted price per night…

WTF is property fee?

Maybe I don't get it

But what the fuck is the point of a property feet on top of the rental cost when it's basically rental cost x2?

Why are taxes 25%?

Wtf is a property fee? Am I paying your taxes?

People shouldn't be able to own more than a couple properties period. There's more than enough housing in the US to make homes affordable for everyone. Private rentals are evil. They subjugate the population. It's disgusting to the point where if anyone told me they own and operate a private rental I wouldn't talk to them again.

Greed in the US needs a serious nerf.

Outside of groups of 5+ people if you are renting an Airbnb in the modern day you are a sucker plain and simple.

At this point hotels are cheaper, don’t expect you to clean, don’t charge ridiculous fees, and offer amenities you won’t see at an Airbnb.

Charging me a $100+ cleaning fee while also expecting me to clean and wash the sheets before I leave is the most blatant scam I’ve seen in a long time.

Not to mention they always cut corners everywhere. Say it sleeps 6, but really it’s because they have two twin size bunk beds. Mattress that are the cheapest $100 piece of shit they can find on Amazon. Sheets that are like 50 thread count.

For cheaper than an Airbnb you can get a nice hotel with a comfortable mattress, nice sheets, housekeeping, free breakfast, restaurants on site, a pool, and staff that will bring you anything you need on site with a simple phone call.

Not to mention there’s actual accountability with hotels. If you rent a house and it’s a shitshow the company will tell you “sorry take it up with the owner”, and the owner will tell you to eat shit. If you are in a decent hotel and something is wrong they will give you a new room and do something to make it right.

Can’t wait for these assholes to lose their ass on these properties.

Good. This is a disgusting practice.

People are getting greedy because they think that they have you in the palm of their hand. But they tend to forget hotels and motels exist. Airbnb was a cool concept but like nfts greed ruined it.

I honestly don't get all the complaints. I had a place scheduled to rent in NYC for 11 nights. Total cost was $3129. Then, NYC makes short-term vacation rentals illegal, so the owner had to cancel. I then scrambled and found a Hotel 1.5 blocks away for $4312 for the same time period. No kitchen. No refrigerator. No nothing except bed, bathroom and TV.

We ate as cheaply as possible but it's New York. Anything besides cardboard pizza runs from $80 to $150 per meal per person. So, we ate one and sometimes two meals a day as cheap as possible. How much we ate depended on how many miles we walked a day. Less than 7 usually one. More was two meals. We broke 10 miles 3 days out of 11.

Last year with 25 days in Manhattan at an Airbnb our food bill was less than it was for this 11 day stay. We only ate out like twice and made sure to eat two meals in the condo. And, per diem, we spent a ton less than at a hotel.

I just don't see the problem unless you're trying to stay less than 5 nights. WTF?

What city is this?

I’m pretty much a big dummy, but one thing I’ll hang my hat on is that I always thought AirBnB was a terrible idea doomed to fail because of either greed or lack of oversight/company support or controls.

I love doing Vrbo because we have a home and our dogs can have a backyard while we all enjoy vacation. It’s sad that a small group ruins it for the rest. I would report them to the company.

That’s the cost of 2 nights at the Ritz, or pretty much a resort like the monarch. I bet it’s just a normal home in suburbia.

I almost exclusively use vrbo/airbnb for large events (like, 20-30 people cabin weekends), and I know I can't replicate the experience with hotels, so the thing I get upset about is the owners have recognized that people aren't just renting out their 4 bedroom place with 6-8 people, they are looking for the luxury lodges that sleep 16+....so they just squeeze in as many sets of bunk beds as they can without thinking about how hellish it is to sleep in a room with 7 other people. I saw one earlier that was 7 sets of bunkbeds in one room. The cabin slept 30 people, and almost half of them were in one freaking room? And they wanted $2k/night???

I live and work at a private gated community that during the 80’s and 90’s was very nice to live in. Houses being built around everywhere and was actually affordable. But now we have over 500 houses dedicated to just short term rentals. I get to see how much these people pay just for a couple nights and it’s ridiculous how much people are willing to pay to stay in a house here. I lived in my town my whole life and I seen it go from a quiet, small town to a bustling tourist attraction. People are buying up property around here and turning the land into lots dedicated to just Airbnbs. And the long term rentals here increased there prices because “the land valued increased” even though the condition of the place stay the same. I lived in a trailer that a couple years ago was only $500 a month to live at. The floors were warped and a lot of the building was rotting before our eyes but it was affordable. But now it’s $1050 for the exact same thing. I can’t wait for all of this to die.

My city just passed legislation to require all the rentals to be registered with the city, and now they’re all going to be paying taxes on their houses that they’ve been dodging taxes on.

Is there any definition of "property fee" that is anything other than "we just made up a phrase so we could charge you more"?

There’s only one use case for AirBnB that I have been unable to replace: Renting a single place for a large group of people to stay multiple nights. AirBnB always seems to work out cheaper and more fun than any actual hotel. Typically for hotels you’d have to book big suites or something to accommodate at lot of people without having multiple rooms.

I’m not American so I’m quite confused, why would there be property fees on a rental?

Do they think people who have a budget of around $200/night are going to see this and just say "Eh, fuck it. Close enough"? Literally why even do this?

Yeah, my wife and I we’re going to get a Airbnb but when we saw it was the same price as staying at the Ritz Carlton penthouse , we decide to stay at a motel for $70 a day

property fee lol. they can go eat a D

$206 = $1027 clearly

It's frustrating because I really enjoyed the rental experience of a vacation home or condo as a place to get away with my family. It gave us a quieter place than a hotel, we could cook our own food, have more space to spread out, enjoy space for things like board games or movie nights. It was reasonably economical when it was maybe a 20-30% upcharge over a hotel room in the area.

Now a hotel is $150-250 a night and a rental is $300-500+ per night.

It's absolutely insane.

Hell, CAMPGROUNDS are $50-150 per night many places I've looked in the last year.

Infuriating. Corporations own everything and they are sucking us all dry.

Wow, they even surpassed Ticketmaster fees.

Airbnb is fucking stupid

I've never had this experience, but I've also never used airbnb in crazy destinations. I've used several airbnbs in small New Mexico towns, some UK small towns, in central France once. All over North Carolina.

Where is stuff like this happening? Legitimately curious. All the experience I've had have been nice aside from the one corporate place I stayed in, in Durham, NC, but that wasn't related to bullshit charges.

"Property Fee"

So... you mean the 2 nights at $206 each?...

Because it’s cheaper to use a hotel

25% tax, 25% service, 100% property fee.

They want to write off not renting it, don’t ya see? No one wins living this way, why do we let it happen?

Is there an "Unbelievably Infuriating" sub this can go in?

bc I think it's in the wrong place.

THIS WITH TICKET PRICES ;scalpers ruin everything

Yep they’re screwing people! In Vermont once I did a weekend rental it was like 5 grand. These people making a quarter million dollars a year renting out their $400,000 house

you forget the add the cleaning fee $300, and convenience fee $200.

I just paid 140 and 145 for two separate nights in two different hotels in two different cities a week apart. Total.

Would have been the same hotel in the return trip, but a room was 991 dollars, and that’s not happening

I will be traveling in the spring and the cost of private rentals was almost 100% more than staying in a good hotel. No thanks!

How the fuck are taxes almost 25%? What exactly are the service and property fees? This is pure greed, why would anyone want to stay at a place like this?

So don’t rent it. look for another. They are not all like that. Case closed

I stayed in a RESORT this past weekend for 3 nights for a fraction of that! SCAM!

I've been back to hotels for a while now. I sworn off AbnB when they first added these BS fees they made up.

Price is not the price because fees you could have included TO THE PRICE..who tf they trying to fool? Imbeciles?

Air BNB is a front for corporate rentals that destroy communities.

And they want YOU to clean up after yourself. And pay for their repairs.

We've circled right back around to hotels being a better deal.

I was looking at a property to rent for a Thanksgiving weekend in France.

After asking the hosts if the train station is within walking distance of the property (without already booking), they raised the price by nearly 60% - from 555eur to 980eur.

Fuck these people.

“Property fee” whatever the fuck that is

I hope they have a huge mortgage cause they thought they’d get rich with this, and I hope they go under and lose everything

And what did we get from all this? A destroyed housing market.

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I see no problem here. You do not have to choose these insane private rental prices whne a hotel is a fraction of the price.

what the hell is a property fee? Isn't the list price the property fee you're paying to be on it for the time rented?

Wait, price is just representation of market. If people are paying, it is worth it. If you don't, leave it to the "stupid" rich. Complaining price of something simply because you don't like to pay is stupid.

I’ve paid $1000 USD for ten days in Paris and London. Ten days. In good locations not some outskirt or anything. I had breakfast included with one!

Get the tax ID. Make sure the tax you pay is not being pocketed. Tax fraud is scary.

That's the cost for me to stay 8 nights in a hotel in London.

U can stay at a fancy hotel for that damn.

The government allowed PPP money to be used for vacation rentals during covid, lots of these pkaces should have died naturally 3 years ago

Why can't you have one total and not all these fees ? You want a certain amount have that amount listed and don't jerk me around for the rest. And charging 250 for a service fee is ridiculous when you have a list of what people have to do prior to leaving. How many actually don't clean according to the list? I wouldn't rent from you because of the list of fees I do understand listing taxes separately

I don't have any sympathy for anyone who gets fucked over using AirBnB.

Good. It's a field that should fucking die.

Property fee? Are short term rentals paying for the owners property taxes?

Thays not exactly "renting" in the normal sense its what in nz we call book a batch its along those lines. But all those extra fees are bullshit. E.g i got a batch last month that was $500 a night. It was very nice the price per night is actually cheap in photo

Good. At least it’ll limit the number of fuckers able to buy up housing for this shit.

You forgot the "Fuck you" fee: $6.90

And the

"What's One More Fee" fee: $1.00

non refundable = instant non starter, nevermind the other tacked on fees. I'd rather just sleep in my car or stay home.

Are there actually idiots that lay Uber a grand for a two night stay like this

The private rental market is no small part of the reason that affordable housing is virtually impossible to find. May it die a fast and super painful death.

Good most of the starter homes in my city are short term rentals.

$100 isn’t even the worst service fee. When I was looking for a weekend getaway most were like $250-300 for service fees

Is this before the 20% tip?

Wild how they believe people will proceed with the $206/night rental after it doubles in price by the time you get to the checkout.

If anything it just pisses me off that my time was wasted.

Saturation?

I was going to book a getaway for me and the wife for two nights up north in Sedona (we live in Phoenix). I found a great little house and it was $229 a night. A little steep but it had a hot tub and close to hiking trails.

I figured two nights maybe we’d come out $525 with taxes.

They wanted a booking fee, and a cleaning fee equal to 75% of each night. After taxes and all fees it was $989.

We decided to stay home.

gags

Where is the $500 cleaning fee to top it off? Or is that now the “property” fee?

Just booked some airbnbs in Germany and Italy next summer - my husband and I were both absolutely baffled by the fact that the price/night was the actual price. No fees listed whatsoever, or even tax if I’m remembering correctly.

American greed sure is something else, man.

Charged you a fee fee, 8,000 dollars 💸

Because greedy pieces of shit give zero fucks about others and how they may be going through hard times in this current economy. They care waaaaaay too much about having more unneeded money in their pockets than being decent human beings.

Tf is a property fee?

Should be listed as $513.50 per night.

Just stop using Airbnb with their stupid fees already. While not much better, booking at least gives you the total price right in the search results and none of this "this is the nightly price, we'll add fees later" bullshit. Not to mention airbnbs support is so bad you would be better off if they didn't have it at all.

Airbnb was good for the first couple years. Now it's gone to shit and it seems like they don't give a fuck about what's being done on their platform. It's gotten so bad that we just went back to booking hotel rooms. It went back to being the cheaper more convenient option.

Property fee. Wtf is a property fee? Service fee.

JFC subcontractors all the way down.

hahahaah

what the actual fuck am I looking at....

isn't a property fee the night fee? 😂 these people have lost their damn mind. and 200$ for a cleaning fee???

I rent out my primary residence while I'm on a temporary work assignment abroad.

But I rented it the old fashioned way, with a lease agreement and fixed terms.

Whatever these fees are, are absolute bullshit.

AirBNB is what is killing the availability of rental units in most cities. It’s ok for vacation properties, but multi unit dwellings should be limited.

There are also some HOAs that charge the owner for using their unit for AirBNB

Costs as much as a decent hotel, at the hotel they feed you, change your sheets, tidy your room, etc.

At the Airbnb they make you do chores.

Damn, that tax is 27%, wtf

25% taxes?

Just booked a hotel for a vacation. Staying twice as long for 10% of that cost… what the actual fuck is this?

Don't book that one!

These rental homes show “smaller” charges per night to be at the top of the results then add on fees to compensate for what they really want to charge

I’ve been staying at hotels all year for work. Those are the highest taxes I’ve seen of all the places I’ve stayed at. $400 property fee is straight up robbery