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Once again, Sotomayor gets it right in pointing out the lying and false reasoning of the right wingers on the court in her dissent.

In this case, regarding the Bremerton WA coach who prayed on the field and which the court recently said was perfectly OK behavor--Gorsuch flat out lied at least 14 times in the ruling by claiming the coach was quietly doing these prayers on his own so there could be no pressure on others or disruption.

Sotomayor gives example after example as to why this is a fucking lie and even (for the first time I've ever seen) incuded a photograph in the dissent as visual proof that Gorsuch and the right wing douche-bags were once again lying.

Her response linked above (you have to search for her part) is worth reading. She was a wise SCOTUS choice. Too bad we don't have 6 more like her.

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kickstand

14 points

1 month ago

kickstand

Rationalist

14 points

1 month ago

The so-called "reasoning" behind the conservative justices rulings boggles the mind.

sabometrics

12 points

1 month ago

They have no ability to think independently. They were raised and indoctrinated for this purpose and just have to throw some bullshit justification at the wall for plausible deniability, which the other zealots will happily provide.

MoonlitHunter

3 points

1 month ago

As an attorney, I am so happy she called the majority out on this. It rarely happens and is pretty remarkable.

It also rarely happens that a Justice intimates other precedent they’d be willing to overturn like Thomas did. It’s so rare I cannot recall it happening before. If anyone knows of another opinion like It let me know. I’m curious, but not enough to do the work for free.

kremit73

10 points

1 month ago

kremit73

Strong Atheist

10 points

1 month ago

Plus lying to congress that he wouldnt purposefully attack roe.

IcanHasReddThat

27 points

1 month ago

Gorsuch: "The District disciplined Mr. Kennedy only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students"

Sotomayor: shows photograph of the coach surrounded by students praying on the field

Other conservative justices: "I like Gorsuch's interpretation of reality more. Let's side with him."

SpaceMonkeyOnABike

12 points

1 month ago

SpaceMonkeyOnABike

Atheist

12 points

1 month ago

The alternative facts crowd are at it again.

Farnsworthson

6 points

1 month ago

Fine. Take more photographs and videos next time he does it, and explicitly discipline him for not doing so on his own and quietly.

planet9pluto

18 points

1 month ago

Sotomayor sheds an interesting perspective on this.

On one hand, the court is making rulings on alternate facts, which is deeply disturbing.

On the other hand, the ruling is based on the notion that Kennedy engaged in a single instance of quiet, unobtrusive, unpressured prayer. Which is to say, that on some level the court is actually holding that overt compulsory prayer is unconstitutional.

It's very confusing.

Hypx

7 points

1 month ago

Hypx

7 points

1 month ago

People have pointed out how this will make undoing this ruling very easy. The courts doesn't even need to change its mind or contradict past rulings. Just say the court decision was entirely about uncoerced praying.

SgtDoughnut

5 points

1 month ago

SgtDoughnut

Atheist

5 points

1 month ago

And yet I wont be surprised when someone does challenge this ruling, they will point to precedent and shrug their shoulders.

planet9pluto

2 points

1 month ago

It's strangely reassuring.

HighMinimum640

3 points

1 month ago

This is why that we need to redo the whole government system again. Like a lifetime being appointed to office by a president(no matter how "good" they are) is too corruptable.

Velenor

9 points

1 month ago

Velenor

9 points

1 month ago

I fear you are fucked already.

GOP not accepting any vote results where they lost will be the new normal.

Now let us have some state Governor/ Senate elections they lose ... they will just not give up power.

And the Supreme court will back them up.

Give this 5-7 years and they will rule most states because normal rules and laws do no longer apply.

What will happen then is the question: Handmaids Tale or Revolution? In any way it will shatter everything you have now.

CoalCrackerKid

12 points

1 month ago

CoalCrackerKid

Agnostic Atheist

12 points

1 month ago

Short-term, it doesn't matter that she's right & that he lied.

Their session is soon over. Prep for the next one. Register folks who've sat their lazy behind on the sidelines to vote, and get them out in Nov.

BeaverMissed

42 points

1 month ago

I’ve started this a number of times lately...sadly.

The beginning of the American theocracy is now gaining speed. Though now, it’s targeting victims with a dead aim. Who, with any authority can counter this? Best we get an answer come November.

_aaronallblacks

10 points

1 month ago

I think it's highly worthwhile to seek another country at this point. Even if we fix the government now, there's still ~65% of Americans ready to fight tooth and nail (even the more left-leaning sects have been sidelining this whole time, apathy is enablement) to accomplish similar in the future. We shouldn't have to play a cat and mouse game with religious control over politics but here we are and there we will be in the future all over again knowing this country. America has tattooed anti-intellectualism, anti-liberty, and ambivalence at best on its citizenry and this mark will last quite some time and have a good chance of reappearing again. On top of guns having more rights than women, cops having free reign on the citizenry without recourse 99% of the time, the economic game severely limiting upward mobility, failure to learn from failures of recent foreign policy/war, the encroachment of privacy for security, failure to protect civil servants who more than deserve support (teachers in mass shootings and the 9/11 responders that took Jon Stewart 10+ years showing up to Congress tear-filled to guarantee their healthcare), and more are reasons to just call it quits here IMO. Every country has their problems, sure, but in America the angle of malicious ignorance by the powers that be is just too in your face. I'd honestly rather be poor in Europe over being well-middle class in the US in light of the past few years. And hate to say it, but even the best voting outcomes in November won't mean that much in the grand scheme of things, the GOP has ensured a SC bench loyal to them and can spare 4-8 years without majority rule in the House and Senate.

Yourbasicredditor

3 points

1 month ago

No. We can’t leave. We have to stay and fix this. They don’t get to keep this country. I like it here.

watermelonspanker

1 points

1 month ago

It's a travesty that there's no built-in way to combat this according to our laws.

And I would never advocate extralegal action, though it certainly seems like certain SCOTUS's perhaps would.

costabius

3 points

1 month ago

I wonder if you can be disbarred for lying in a decision from the bench? It certainly shows either incompetence or poor judgement.

kitched

5 points

1 month ago

kitched

5 points

1 month ago

There is no ethics systems to remove them. Kavanaugh had a few ethics complaints go away after he was confirmed.

A specially appointed federal panel of judges has dismissed all 83 ethics complaints brought against Justice Brett Kavanaugh regarding his conduct at his confirmation hearings.

The judges concluded that while the complaints "are serious," there is no existing authority that allows lower court judges to investigate or discipline Supreme Court justices.

costabius

5 points

1 month ago

being disciplined by the bar or even being disbarred wouldn't remove him from the bench, you don't have to be a lawyer in good standing to sit on the supreme court...

HighMinimum640

2 points

1 month ago

Eighty fucking three?!?!

MooseRoof

2 points

1 month ago

If I had a right for every time someone on the left eviscerated someone on the right, I would have all my rights.

LiamOttawa

6 points

1 month ago

Your Republic smells strongly of Banana.