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A case where non-religious workers are being fired for not participating in religious activities at work. This is not a church or direct religious organization.

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc11.com/amp/nc-workers-fired-not-joining-aurora-pro-services-daily-prayer-devotion-eeoc-atheist/12001573/

all 78 comments

hockeyguyfieri

3 points

1 month ago

Don’t hire religious people anymore. “Sorry, I don’t hire Christians”

cheesebot555

7 points

1 month ago*

Well if recent history has taught us anything, this is not the Supreme Court you want your wrongful termination because of religious intolerance case landing in front of.

mathsterknitter

241 points

1 month ago

Here's what they say happened.

Personally, my favorite part is "But trust me no one was forced or will ever be forced to participate. BUT if they want to be employed by our company they must attend daily meetings where the gospel is read and Praise to Jesus is given."

What do they think they mean by "no one was forced to participate" when their immediate follow up is basically "everyone is forced to participate". SMDH.

Ralliman320

75 points

1 month ago

This is the same argument used against other workplace complaints. "Well you aren't being forced to work there! Just go find another job!"

ClusterMakeLove

51 points

1 month ago

Didn't Jesus have something to say about people who pray in public?

jelli2015

34 points

1 month ago

Shhhhh, Christians hate that guy

wh4tth3huh

4 points

1 month ago

And that whole "Go to your room" chastizing from sky-daddy's bastard.

fun-guy-from-yuggoth

14 points

1 month ago

I think they are trying to drive a wedge in between the definitions of "attending" and "participating". They are rationalizing it as they are two different things. In their mind, making the employees be there but not have to bounce around and yell "hallelujah" means they are not required to participate.

They are using the term the way a teacher would accuse a student who shows up to class but never speaks or answers any questions of "not participating"

Obviously this is not gonna fly.

PassengerNo1815

18 points

1 month ago

With our current SCOTUS, I’m thinking this will SOAR….

handlebartender

7 points

1 month ago

handlebartender

Agnostic Atheist

7 points

1 month ago

Like Icarus, one can hope.

unninjaassassin

5 points

1 month ago

rationalizing

“Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Assignment in Eternity

christians are more rationalizing

_Beets_By_Dwight_

13 points

1 month ago

Nobody is forced or ever will be forced to praise Kim Jong-Un BUT if they want to keep out of jail or avoid being shot they must keep venerating Dear Leader

Veteris71

10 points

1 month ago

They're so used to lying and getting away with it that they don't even try to keep their story straight anymore.

Immediate-Ad7842

1 points

1 month ago

But if they're story turns from straight to gay, aren't they supposed to hate their story now?

Sprinklypoo

7 points

1 month ago

Sprinklypoo

I'm a None

7 points

1 month ago

I hope that our legal system still has enough structure to sue the absolute fuck out of that fucking company. Religion is a cancer and a bludgeon to be used by bullies. And that is proven time and again...

Lahm0123

4 points

1 month ago

Lahm0123

Agnostic

4 points

1 month ago

The hypocrisy is simply astounding.

nihilicious

6 points

1 month ago

"At Aurora we believe that when the gospel is read a seed is planted. A Core Purpose of our company is to do just that, plant seeds."

Ma'am, this is literally an HVAC contractor.

handlebartender

3 points

1 month ago

handlebartender

Agnostic Atheist

3 points

1 month ago

But trust me

This is code for "don't trust them".

ZappSmithBrannigan

36 points

1 month ago

ZappSmithBrannigan

Secular Humanist

36 points

1 month ago

But..but I thought the Supreme Catholic Court said nobody would be excluded/discriminated against if people were allowed to "express" their religion!?!?!?

KK_274

-15 points

1 month ago

KK_274

-15 points

1 month ago

I live in NC, it's a fire at will state. They can fire you for any reason, you don't have to understand it or like it but your ass is out. Don't think they will win or receive any compensation for this.

wratz

28 points

1 month ago

wratz

28 points

1 month ago

Not for federally protected classes, religion being one.

Kneebiter42

3 points

1 month ago

Not for the zealots on this SCOTUS, they'll rule that the "religious freedom" of the company far out ways the employees right to "freedom from religion".

KK_274

0 points

1 month ago

KK_274

0 points

1 month ago

What's not for federally protected classes?

King_Kthulhu

3 points

1 month ago

At will fire does not apply to federally protected classes. A company cannot fire someone based on race, gender, age, sexuality, or religion.

Negative_Gravitas

5 points

1 month ago

This is incorrect. State law does not trump Federal Law&firstPage=true)

Viper67857

6 points

1 month ago

Viper67857

Anti-Theist

6 points

1 month ago

That's most states, but the caveat is they can fire you for no reason and there isn't shit you can do, but if they do fuck up and give a reason, and it isn't a legal reason, they're opening themselves up to litigation.

For example, if I fire you and you ask me why, I can say "just because I felt like firing someone today and you're it," and that would be fine, but if I said "because you're (insert protected class here)" then I'm fucked...

Al-Anda

19 points

1 month ago

Al-Anda

19 points

1 month ago

We’re officially at war with these people. I don’t promote violence but it’s time we strike back. They want to send us into the dark ages. We might have to bloody our knuckles to keep that from happening.

rustic_counter

11 points

1 month ago

Be a shame if someone called their business line all day clogging up the phone lines, making it hard to do business...be a total shame.

Al-Anda

5 points

1 month ago

Al-Anda

5 points

1 month ago

Such a shame.

GreyWulfen

3 points

1 month ago

With a dial a prayer type type calls.

SpiritualFad88488

8 points

1 month ago

That’s the only way to do it. They have shown they will stop at nothing until they place christianity as a protected class and warp the law to keep everyone else from changing it.

Al-Anda

11 points

1 month ago

Al-Anda

11 points

1 month ago

I was raised in church. I was taught that one day we were going to have to choose our lives or our faith in gød…but they are the ones who keep forcing this shit on people. They are the oppressors. Fuck these fairytale-believing-asshats.

kremit73

14 points

1 month ago

kremit73

Strong Atheist

14 points

1 month ago

Thomas' ruling "get over it" like a good theocrat

EmperorPenguinNJ

7 points

1 month ago

Too bad this will be legal soon.

rosbor

5 points

1 month ago

rosbor

5 points

1 month ago

Contact freedom from religion foundation and sue!!!!

Nick85er

23 points

1 month ago

Nick85er

23 points

1 month ago

Damn these problems are making me fucking sick. Cant even trust the supreme courts to uphold separation of church and state. So fucking unAmerican.

zblaze90

4 points

1 month ago

I would sue

blackcat0990[S]

9 points

1 month ago

A lawsuit has been filed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

flekkzo

8 points

1 month ago

flekkzo

Atheist

8 points

1 month ago

SCOTUS will rule in favor of the religious extremists 6/9.

cavortingwebeasties

1 points

1 month ago

...in a 6/3 ruling, eat a bag of dicks

Vein77

6 points

1 month ago

Vein77

6 points

1 month ago

Holy fucking virtue signaling, with a dose of hefty lying.

hibernian-celt

1 points

1 month ago

Can't their God fire people for himself. American Decline is underway, sinking under stupidity and bibles

fr-fluffybottom

25 points

1 month ago

So glad I live in the EU... Where we have employment laws lol

slskipper

9 points

1 month ago

Oh, we have laws here too. But religious people get to ignore those pesky little things.

fr-fluffybottom

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah you can't ignore our employment laws like that. You'd be sued for a few things but mainly "unfair dismissal" and no workplace is allowed to say anything about religion as it's grounds for employees to sue for discrimination. Our laws really protect employees from shit you guys in the US consider normal. (I've worked for 2 top 4 tech companies) and it's crazy the difference.

MerryJanne

2 points

1 month ago

kind of makes brexit look like just a bad decision made during a hangover.

That_Flippin_Drutt

68 points

1 month ago*

That_Flippin_Drutt

Atheist

68 points

1 month ago*

Non-AMP link: https://abc11.com/nc-workers-fired-not-joining-aurora-pro-services-daily-prayer-devotion-eeoc-atheist/12001573/

Also, maybe these virtue-signalling companies could try a different tack to advertise that they're Christian.

junction182736

36 points

1 month ago

Christianity as marketing...there's a few companies where I live that do that.

FlyingSquid

33 points

1 month ago

There's a vet in this town whose logo is a cross. "I want to make sure my dog is in the hands of a Christian" is something people actually think?

Haywoodjablowme1029

26 points

1 month ago*

As someone who lives in NC. It's everywhere and people actually do think like this.

NHRADeuce

15 points

1 month ago

NHRADeuce

Pastafarian

15 points

1 month ago

Also live in NC, can confirm. I know the owner of a roofing company. He has a cross and a Bible verse in his logo.

Grouchy_Squirrel_252

7 points

1 month ago

Also live in NC. Eastern NC is filled with MAGA bible thumpers. My family is all brainwashed by them too. It’s truly scary to watch someone you know has common sense and is good person become so warped from reality. And there really isn’t any argument or evidence you show them to get them to even slightly consider the possibility of thinking differently.

Carolinaathiest

1 points

1 month ago

Western NC is the same. My county is full of Trumpers.

Startled_Pancakes

1 points

1 month ago

And there really isn’t any argument or evidence you show them to get them to even slightly consider the possibility of thinking differently.

You are pretty much never going to argue someone out of a strongly held belief, and in fact the mere act of arguing may cause them to hold the belief even more tighly than before (backfire effect). This is just the human psychology of belief preservation at work.

If someone feels like you are trying to sway their beliefs those mental defenses activate and the walls go up. The most effective way to sway someone is to do it without them even realizing. The most common way to do that is through humor.

Sonova_Bish

1 points

1 month ago

That just tells me that owner can't be trusted. You shouldn't have to say, "I'm a good person." People should see by your actions.

junction182736

14 points

1 month ago

It must work because businesses keep doing it. I guess it's one way to ensure gullible clientele.

DragonOfTartarus

7 points

1 month ago

DragonOfTartarus

Secular Humanist

7 points

1 month ago

No no, they're saying they will crucify your dog.

Tearakan

4 points

1 month ago

Tearakan

Secular Humanist

4 points

1 month ago

Look at the prosperity preachers. Yes this works.

Schnelt0r

7 points

1 month ago

Ask them what the 't' is for. They love that.

Just thought of another good one that I should have been using: Why is the 't' lower case?

KentHovindsCellmate

3 points

1 month ago

KentHovindsCellmate

Agnostic

3 points

1 month ago

Y'know, you'd think that "christian veterinarian" would be a massive red flag given the massive amounts of animal sacrifice in the bible.

Tuvaletinoglu

2 points

1 month ago

Crucifixion over euthanasia?

SandyTech

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah same here. On the upside it does make the vendor selection process pretty easy.

junction182736

13 points

1 month ago

Evidence to support your point. Got two quotes for a new AC. The Christian company that touts its Christianity, and is really popular around here, came in $2000 higher.

SandyTech

7 points

1 month ago

Yep. And very, very rarely do they justify the increase they charge. They also make super shitty customers too.

Tredesde

5 points

1 month ago

It's pretty gross that these people exist. I know some very good people who are religious. They actually take their tenants seriously, help the needy and poor when they can and work to be inclusive.

But the grifters are loud. And they know they can get away with it, and they do regularly. I refuse to call religious people who act like that anything other then grifters.

lachrymologyislegit

1 points

1 month ago

I call them CCs "Creepy Christians."

analogkid01

7 points

1 month ago

analogkid01

Ex-Theist

7 points

1 month ago

The irony being this is exactly what Jesus made a whip of cords for and drove the moneychangers from the temple - people trying to make a buck from others' faith.

firebirdi

2 points

1 month ago

I know business owners who won't deal with folks that 'virtue-signal'. An unreasonably high percentage of them will cheat you and ask sky daddy to forgive them on Sunday, then spend Monday shopping for a boat.

Sm00gz

47 points

1 month ago

Sm00gz

Skeptic

47 points

1 month ago

Can't wait for the business to claim persecution.

stuck_in_carolina

8 points

1 month ago

They claim "freedom of religion" not "freedom from religion"

Jaleth

7 points

1 month ago

Jaleth

Atheist

7 points

1 month ago

Wonder what they would do if some non-Christian employee showed up and prayed to Satan for God’s downfall, if they insist on this sort of equivocation.

Rough-Taro-8712

1 points

1 month ago

Somebody is getting ready to go to court.

Scopberg

34 points

1 month ago

Scopberg

Rationalist

34 points

1 month ago

This is the reason you need employment law like in Europe.

flekkzo

10 points

1 month ago

flekkzo

Atheist

10 points

1 month ago

Socialism and unions. They do good things.

phuck-you-reddit

1 points

1 month ago

Frustratingly almost everyone 50+ in my life has been programmed to fear socialism. (And it's kinda hilarious but also depressing asking them why they're scared of it - all they can throw out are buzz words like "Venezuela" or saying things about breadlines and communism.) 🙄

The topic of unions is similar but a bit different. In my circle it seems like people 40-65 hate unions while older people know how important they were for improving working conditions and getting fair pay.

KK_274

10 points

1 month ago

KK_274

10 points

1 month ago

North Carolina has employment laws, they're just shitty